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Post by chilicandy on Nov 13, 2005 6:01:33 GMT 8
hi... recently we are facing one problem... so, thought of discussing it with the wiser aunties uncles here...
Be free to share your thoughts and idea.
well..the thing i wanna discuss today is, how do you handle an employee who is dishonest? ( taking advantage of the company's benefits or pecah amanah case )
its still in early suspicious period. Still monitorin the situation. I know its easy to say just "fire that person".
But this specific employee is a really "good" employee.. in a sense, that person is responsible in getting their job done,. And so happens, that person is also holding a very important position that would influence the running of the business . That means, "sacking" would be a too rash action.
what do you think ? is there a prevention way?
have you met with such employee before, and what action been taken? any succesful story to share?
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Post by lilywhite on Nov 13, 2005 10:10:49 GMT 8
Wow  good topic...good discussion. :DIt depends on their jobs.  Employee dishonest is the number one problem in a company. Employee dishonest has reached staggering proportions everywhere and it is much costly then the shoplifting. Risk factors are always there. Chilicandy, you mentioned that the employee is really “good” employee. Good??? In what level? However, in my personal opinion, there are so many good ones too. Yes, it might influence the runnning of the business if he quit his job but this is only short term. I am sure there is always a GOOD REPLACEMENT. I agreed with Idolhunter mentioned before “A business is for profits. If a boss is too generous... he won't last long.” It might sound realistic but this is true. My experience told me that Dishonest employees causes the lost of the company and many bankcrupcies companies are caused by employee dishonest. Will share more when I have time. Chilicandy, mind telling me more about his importance of the job? Maybe we could share some discussion. |
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Post by chilicandy on Nov 13, 2005 12:50:43 GMT 8
yeah... it could cost a lost to the company...
well, this employee has been with the company for the longest period, compare to other staffs. We put a lot of trust on him/her, thus he/she has the most freedom.\\
But recently, there was some suspicions, noticed by someone else, thus we had to start investigating, ... and it doesnt look either.
\Before this happens, i used to advise other people about keeping a dishonest employee in a company akin to keeping a life bomb in the company.
so, now it happens here, really feel abit lost.
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Post by navipton on Nov 13, 2005 23:27:07 GMT 8
GOOD REPLACEMENT - by lilywhite ...
are u trying to reduce his power by substitute his position (at the same time, remain his position) and delegate his responsibility to others... thus the final decisions no longer lying in his hand.... by doing so, as time pass by, he only merely as company advicer
having u think of company restructure... by appoint his fella employees under him to another department which is not under his influences and authority... and/or hired more employees and allocated them accordingly which will enhance the production..
the another way round is by giving memo at the notice board that there will be auditors to investigate the company accounts ... if he (dishonest employees) aware of this, he should do something about it and stop doing the wrong things .. well, in another way round, you can invite him for meals and indirectly sending warning to him ... or still another way ... u can do it in the harsh way......hired managing director abroad (doesnt mean oversea), and the duties was to investigate the internal error of company account and anyone who found being "dishonest" will directly hand to police where there are enforcements being made...
well.. that just piece of my own opinions ... u can either ignore or consider it .
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Post by idolhunter on Nov 14, 2005 2:34:10 GMT 8
GOOD REPLACEMENT - by lilywhite ... are u trying to reduce his power by substitute his position (at the same time, remain his position) and delegate his responsibility to others... thus the final decisions no longer lying in his hand.... by doing so, as time pass by, he only merely as company advicer having u think of company restructure... by appoint his fella employees under him to another department which is not under his influences and authority... and/or hired more employees and allocated them accordingly which will enhance the production.. the another way round is by giving memo at the notice board that there will be auditors to investigate the company accounts ... if he (dishonest employees) aware of this, he should do something about it and stop doing the wrong things .. well, in another way round, you can invite him for meals and indirectly sending warning to him ... or still another way ... u can do it in the harsh way......hired managing director abroad (doesnt mean oversea), and the duties was to investigate the internal error of company account and anyone who found being "dishonest" will directly hand to police where there are enforcements being made... well.. that just piece of my own opinions ... u can either ignore or consider it . From what I read, I think chilicandy's meaning is more of a family or small/medium business lah... sorry if I am wrong, chilicandy, becos only this kind of level will have this problems...if corporate level.. chilicandy will not have to ask us here.. ;D the longer the employee works, the harder it is to sack him/her becos they know too much and controls too much.. it will also depends on what kind of business.. is it heavy invested ones or light investments? and also at what level of power this guys has in your company...decision making of an employee is also like a business.. it all comes back to profits n loss... how much is his dishonesty to you...if it will close yr company, then by all means just sack that guy...afterall there is no point in keeping him...but if his dishonesty is merely an irritation, a small margin of your company profits, close one eye but keep tabs and hint that u know..to minimise and control.. I was in the transport business before...*most truck drivers will take anything their hands can lay on.... diesel,goods,spare-parts,tyres (new retreads changed to old retreats),tools, traffic *fines* (false claims), secret transport charges... ;D ;D If I want to sack the drivers, I have to sack all becos all of them do the same... just more or less. and that would mean the closure of my company too. ;D So close one eye, spot checks, sack 1 or 2 as scape-goats to hint to the others.. ;D..sounds harsh but if u can't do that, then u close shop. ;D I think u get my idea now... I hope so... |
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Post by idolhunter on Nov 14, 2005 3:16:13 GMT 8
If managerial level and responsible postions..
this is a bit tough. ;D becos u r talking about just one person so there is no scape-goat to slaughter.. ;D
or hint.
Actually from a few lines from u like that... it is impossible to determine the right action...need to know the exact type of dishonesty.. but to put it in general...
1. long term - hire another assistant to learn his job,
sooner or later u will need one...
2. short-term - use the assistant to dig the dishonesty
out of him..if there is none... good... if there is...good
Alot of people like to quote this...
U must amputate yr arm before the cancer get to the whole body. ;D
If u still kesian that dishonest guy, or worry that u may lose some ground on yr customer base.. think, can cure or not?.. if cancer one ah...sakit sakit kena potong oh..
U have to make a decision b4 it is too late.. ;D
There are 2 types of employee/business tactics...
the american style - united we prosper
direct-selling like amway, frenchise
or
the british/chinaman style - divide we prosper.
our chinaman business always use the later.
british style...divide yr employees n yr clients.
never encourage co-operation.. if they do, u r doomed.
look at the british empire/history...that's how they rule
..India and the rest of the british colony..
they either create or find weakness among the tribles..by poisoning the minds of both tribes, let them fight it out.. becos they know if the tribes/casts combine.. they are doomed..sounds harsh but facts are facts..
that's what item 2 above is all about...if the old and new manager becomes good friends.. ;D
Now u have 2 headache .. ;D ;D
Welcome to the business world.. ;D
They don't teach this in harvard University of business ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by chilicandy on Nov 15, 2005 12:13:00 GMT 8
thanks for all the opinions.
its a small scale business, which is why the relevant staff has too much control, thus making it easier for dishonesty.
I hav thought of some ways to make it difficult for the relevant staff to take advantage...
Yes, i agree, sometimes we have to close one eye, if its not that serious. Anyhow, in long term, it would be undoing also, defeating the purpose of running a business.
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